Brainjacked

Taken from Allakhazam
Mythic weapon is officially more difficult to obtain than relic weapons. I am glad the whole quest actually involve skill more than money. At least stupid rich kids won't be able to get them

Yeah this makes killing Attestation and Fragment NMs a walk in the park... Fourth Quest is a drop from PW!

Gay and also very very very unlikely. POIDH plz

oh gosh that will be so mean X)

It makes perfect sense to have a key item or title from PW, every other TAU HNM are involved why not PW?

Cuz PW isnt necessarily a "threat to the empire" like the salvage bosses, kings, and Odin are. PW is a monster that Sanraku heard about from a friend of his (he says the same thing about every "fauna" when u request a pop item). PW was never part of the ToAU storyline, the rest are and thus have some significance in the weapon quest

Umm...ACK

I have a Sarameya's hide...but I already turned it into Sankruku for keyitem colored seal

Am I screwed or does that count? ; ;

I probably am, ya? New concrete info yet? lol


Anyway, we did some Tyger recently...multiple people in same ZNM group wanting to upgrade Mythic relic, you are for sure screwed (Not to mention, screw your group out of PW). Here are our stats for Tyger:

1/13 Tyger's tail (Trophy rare/EX for PW pop)
2/13 Hachiryu Kote (WAR/SAM/NIN/MNK)
3/13 Enforcer (DRK only Scythe)
2/13 Antares (Club for WHM/BLM/RDM/BRD/SMN/SCH)

We do still have 4 more Tyger pops...but with these stats, I'm having no hope in store lol


Rant: I have no problem with needing to obtain these. What I *do* have a problem with is 15~25 people all working together on ZNM T4 pops and 1~3 people get all the trophies, but guess what, lose the PW pop? No thanks. All that groups hard work to get 1~3+ PW pops & they go down the drain? That isn't fair to that group, they wanted to try PW (or kill once it's found out)

Fix: Gather all 3 Trophies, but trading them just for "proof" don't actually lose them, thus you can trade to Sanruku for PW pop later. OR require the T4 pop items themselves. Spent 66k Zeni (per person) as a group working to get to T4, but then forgo popping your pops (Each T4 costs 22k zeni). This method is much easier, but it follows the Ichor/Tokens/Titles/Alexandrites(if group splits even) theme. Since ZMNs came out, I myself have got 4 T4 pops, so ya it's too easy and I'd be willing to settle with trophies *if* you don't lose them & can pop PW later. Otherwise, we'll never see PW popped ever again on any server XD

Notes on time: Okay after the initial boom/hype of when ZNMs came out, our group has since mellowed out to casual. Our "goal" was 1 path per month. Sept was actually Tyger path, if you check the date you'll see how often we've been doing ZNMs lately. We try to do 1 T3 a week, then 4th week would be T4 optimally. So for a casual group that does many other events (not as a group, just in general) 1 path per 1~2 months seems the way it'll be. Then 3~6 months for each "chance" at a Tyger+Sarameya+Tinnin trophy. Now looking at drop rates, guess this will be another 1~3 year event to add to the Mythic relic pile.


Edit: I forgot "Give it the Sea treatment" IE: make them 100% drops. How many months did Sea have a horrible drop rate on pops? ;p

I really don't think ZNM tropies are big deal tbh.

It's only unfair to ask 18 ppl to work for something that only benefit 2-3 ppl if those ppl get to keep all the drops as well. Sell the hachiryu kote/antares (do ppl even want to buy Enforcer lol) and split the gil. Give the ra/ex items to ppl who turn up to help with the fight or simply sell them the same way Ambition sell abj. I really don't see how it will make the system "unfair".

T4 drop rate is reasonable. It only takes one dedicated ZNM group 1 week to farm T4 pop item. Alexandrite is the roadblock to mythic upgrade and ppl still find a way to get around it. Worse come to worse keep spamming Cerb path and use the money to buy T4 trophy from other LS.

If you can't afford Alexandrite, ZNM trophies are the last thing you need to worry about.

They do. Zorik got our only pair of Hachiryu Haidate and he sold it, all gil when to himself. Same goes for all our Hachiryu Kote/Feet, Alkalurops (int/mnd/chr+10, mag acc+20 staff) etc.

I don't think you are understanding ZNM. All these trophy drops from T4 are supposed to be used for T5, Pandy. This is what we all agreed to when we started ZNM. That is what the ZNM system was/is when it was created, go through tiers of NMs to get to the next. Why now all of a sudden should our group (and prob others) be fucked out of *ever* popping PW now?

T4 Trophy drops are reasonable. They are reasonable if only 1 person is upgrading mythic. They are reasonable if all trophy go to PW. They now become unreasonable when you have 9 people upgrading Mythic *and* stops all PW.

Before you mention Alex road block again, yes I understand this. But people in my group have 3+ relic etc etc. There are some major rich people and a KCs were bought on whim when "window shopping"


Edit: I do have a question about your 1 week to get a T4 pop. Did you mean after 1 week you'll have 1 T4 pop, or 1 week and 10 people would have a T4 pop? If you meant 1 pop total, you're looking at 3 weeks for a set of Tinnin/Tyger/Sarameya. At 1/10 droprate, 9 people upgrading Mythic, that's 270 weeks or 5.2 years.

If you meant 10 people get 10 pops in 1 week. Then I really can't believe that. There are so many events in this game, people do alot of them. There is no way you can get 15~25 people to do: 30 T1 pops, 30 T2, 30 T3, and 10 T4 pops. T1(1~2min each) T2(1~3min each) T3(5~20min each) T4(8~20min each) Zeni farming (700zeni/hour, need 22.5k, 32hrs to trade it all in). So if they do all the zeni farming together, 10~15hrs of farming, 10~15hrs of killing ZNM. That's 20~30hrs a week. Dynamis is only 6~8, and it's hard enough finding people to do that in a week (100% attendance).



Edit2: You need a drop from PW also, for Mythic relic. So...yeah

New post - new Tygers

Well, our group now has 3 PW pops. These will never see the light of day. I can guarantee that other groups, over other servers, will also never pop PW either. Thus we'll never find out how it's supposed to be killed in 2hrs. Or delay PW from being popped for the next 2 years.

Again, I don't have a problem with the "difficulty" of obtaining these items for a Mythic relic, puts challenge and I'm okay with that. I am however against the conflict of 15~25 peoples work for 0 progress. Which is silly because they'll need those PW pops to pop PW to get the PW drop for the Mythic quest also.

Oh well

I think you seem to build the whole argument based on your own LS experience. If that's what have been agreed between your LS members that's not much you can do about it. Just want to point out you are not going to keep ppl motivated if you keep this practice.

It's impossible to get 18 to farm their own pop items. The next best option will be to split the gil item to keep ppl interested. If you want ppl to keep doing ZNM don't be stingy.


No offense, do you really think your LS is capable of defeating PW on your own?
It's like saying "lets farm JoL pop item because we want to kill AV"


Seriously ZNM is not dynamis. There is no cooldown apart from the 3 min wait for ??? to respawn. You seem to think your LS is the only group that is capable of doing ZNM. All 3 t4 ZNM can be defeated by 12 skilled players. And a 12 man ZNM group won't be able to defeat PW in 2hrs. These are ZNM groups that will should sell their T4 trophies to bigger LS or ppl who upgrade mythics, and it makes perfect sense from economic point of view for SE to add T4 trophies as part of the mythic quest since it will benefit these ppl.


And your point is? If you can't compete with this ppl, it doesn't matter whether ZNM t4 items are part of the quest or not because even if you somehow manage to collect all 3 items you are still stuck in Alexandrite part of the quest.


I think you are the one who don't understand ZNM. Unless you have a group of motivated ppl it's impossible to get everyone to farm their pop item. It's like asking every member in your linkshell to farm a Kirin set.

Assuming the drop rate of trophies is 1 in 10 and it takes 3 weeks to gather 3 T4 pop set, the total amount of time required to gather all 3 t4 trophies will be 30 weeks. It doesn't matter how many ppl in your LS are working on mythics because they can all work on ZNM trophies concurrently. 9 ppl will still only take 30 weeks not 270 weeks.

If everything fails you always have the option to buy t4 trophies from other LS. Also unless it's 100% confirmed we still don't know if T4 trophies are actually part of the requirement.

Yes, Gumdrops is pretty badass...

And, no one knows what the difficulty level was changed to after update, so who's to say they can't kill it? You seem to think it's going to be as difficult a fight as AV but i have yet to see anything about anyone fighting it post-update

Also, having everyone get their own pop item is NOTHING like having everyone get their own kirin set. That was a really bad metaphor. Obviously it is possible for everyone to get their own pop item if they have the motivation to do so. In my opinion the only was people are going to have motivation is if they get everything from their pop, INCLUDING T4 TROPHIES!! If people don't bring a pop item they don't get anything and its not my fault, it's their fault for not bringing their own damn pop set! And if they don't have the luck to get a trophy on their pop, such is fate, they still can get money items, etc. You dont go into ODS assuming you're going to split drops with someone who doesn't have an orb and this is no different.

This is the way i see ZNM as being fair. If people only want to go to "help out" they shouldnt expect a piece of someone else's pie. If ZNM is soooo easy they could have brought their own pop. Yeah it sounds greedy but it only makes sense

PW has been fought post update, the linkshell managed to kill all forms and timed out at the true form. They have ridiculous number of ppl, iirc something like a whole BLM alliance to take out add or something like that. There seem to be some hidden trick or unusal strategy to handle PW, until they are figured out no LS is capable to defeating PW yet. It's certainly doable if 2 major linkshells team up though.

Jackyl's LS have fought PW twice post update and failed both times. They are one of the few LSs that took down AV post update. I really can't think of any LS on Midgardsormr that is capable of doing this on their own. Joint effort will be a different story though.

Getting every member to farm their pop item is not going to work period. Show me a LS that has 18 members who actively farm pop item. Most LS are doing ZNMs because it's a "linkshell event". It's like forcing mage to do sky when they don't need anything from Sky, but sky is easy you just need to turn up to fight mobs. Money drop from Sky goes to LS bank and benefit all LS members. ZNM require every member to get salt to fight T4 ZNM and after all the hardwork, only few members manage to snatch all the money drop and ra/ex items.

Trophies should always go to ppl who provide the pop items anyway. Getting ppl to "help out" will only work in the first few runs, ppl are not going to waste their time to help you fight ZNM again and again for 30 weeks. Those who don't have pop items are going to avoid ZNM like plague unless the linkshell leader put a big "linkshell event" label on ZNM. Even then you are bound to see ppl coming out with all kind of reasons to not do ZNM.

You cant compare ZNM with sky, they are basically complete opposites..

In sky it is a ls effort to farm pop items which is why money drops go to bank. ZNM is an individual effort to farm pop items which is why moneys drops should go to the popper. Its as simple as that. If people want money/gears they can bring their own pops. If they dont that's their problem. It's that simple. Maybe this is why no one is interested in ZNM anymore because people have dumb ways of looking at it....

PW obviously being an expection

Scrubz do your pop, your drops for all ZNMs. We compare it to KS99, where it's your orb, your drop. People devote their time to farming zeni/seals, and reap the rewards from it. Some people donate some T4 drops to LS bank because they want to, or feel like it's necessary, but it certainly isn't required. Pop owner decides if he'll lot drops, freelot them, or donate sellables.