Brainjacked

Yes you farm the pop item but you can't do the fight on your own.

Back in those days when KS99 used to be one of the most profitable activities, a common aproach used by most LS is to let the orb provider pick 1 item and sell split the rest. Just because you have more KS doesn't mean the other 17 ppl who help you beat the BCNM don't deserve compensation. Ppl stop doing it now because 99% of the time KS99 drop shit and the few hundred k mats are not worth splitting between 17 ppl.

One or two favours are fine. If you want ppl to help you kill ZNM 30 weeks in a row at least find a reasonable way to compensate for their time and effort. If you want to pull out your "linkshell event card" it's fine but don't expect consistent attendance for 30 weeks.

No, you can't kill pops alone, but everyone will help/be helped. Nothing keeps anyone from producing their own pop sets. That's mainly what linkshells are for; Helping people kill the things they want killed, but can't kill alone, among other things.

Yes and that's also the reason why ppl don't get help if they keep asking ppl to spam ZNM for nothing.

If your ls is really that helpful then problem solved there is no reason to get pissed by the fact that SE has added T4 trophies as part of the requirement to upgrade mythics. You have a perfect ls that will help you kill all T4 ZNM and let you keep the drop, you can keep trying for trophies and the same time sell the money drop to fund Alexandrite, sounds like a perfect win for me.

Ya that's 10 of each, dropping 1 Tinnin's Fang, 1 Tyger's Tail, 1 Sarameya Hide. Do those 30 weeks again for the 2nd person, etc. Could take years


Not for us. We've done it 3 times now.


Drops are motivation, and it's worked so far. But you cannot compare sky to ZNM. When you farm Despot for 2hrs, you get 1 pop item drop. When you farm a T3 ??? ZNM pop for 2hrs, you get 10 pop item drops. ZNM everyone can work on their pop set at the same time while helping others.

KS99 runs, KS30, BCNM, etc have all been your pop, your drop. Those KS you have, did you solo all the mobs? No you were in EXP or whatever and you got "lucky". Granted some may be from BST or farming EPs.


This is my whole point. I'm not upset with Trophies, I'm upset with Trophies that will now never be used to pop PW. So they timed out on *final* form on their 1st and/or 2nd try? Well before update it took 18hrs+ to get to that final form, not 2hrs. So ya it's been updated, and need to be "figured" out once it has been, it'll become the next Tia.


/point Gumdrops. Though we have much more than 18 members. T1/T2 are fast/easy/low ppl req, so we pump those out whenever before Fri. Then on each Fri or Mon, we take out 1 T3 10~20 times depending on how many people brought pops. Do that 3 weeks in a row & 4th week we can start hammering out T4. As I recall we did 18 Sarameya > 15 Tinnin > 18 Tyger. Now were back on Troll path.


Think FC already said this, but it's their fault for not brining a pop item. Everyone has an "equal" chance at gil drops, so it's not really spamming for nothing. Doing "split" all becomes the same problem as KS99. Splitting 2mil 30 ways is like 66k each, now that's some motivation to *not* come.

Biggest motivation imo: Cerberus hide is 100% drop, 1.2~1.6mil. Who wouldn't want to work on their own pop set? No one if those 15~18 ppl had to split it with the other 15 who didn't work on their own pop.

Repeating my theme, not trying to agrue, just wanna disscuss

~I'm not upset with Trophies, I'm upset with Trophies that will now never be used to pop PW.

First of all I don't really understand how you work out 270 weeks to get all 3 T4 trophies for 9 members. If each of them farm their own T4 pop set it will only take everyone 30 weeks to obtain all 3 trophies.

Do you mean 10+ pops of each path since ZNM release? ZMN has been out for 4-6 months? That's 2-3 members managed to complete all 3 T4 pop set each month, I don't see how you can classify that as having 18 members who actively farm pop items.

There is nothing wrong to let pop item provider keep all the money drops. The only difference is if you want to see more T4 trophies within reasonable timeframe your LS need to spam more ZNM, and splitting drops is the simplest way to motivate ppl to do ZNM. I am not arguing how your ls shoud distribute the drop, I am saying that if your main goal is t4 trophies don't be stingy, split the gil and get ppl to help you spam ZNM.

Missed my post? We popped 51 T4's so far. Or avg of 17 players popped 1 of each.


Okie, we seem to be on the same page now ;p

The original goal was to "Do ZNMs" this included T5. Since then PW was found to be 18hrs+, then SE fixed it, some day (soon I hope) it'll be figured out. The 1st Tia's were 5~8hrs, Kirin 3hrs+ etc. Just gotta be patient. In a pop system (Sky/Sea) you could do the lesser gods/jailers & sell the next pops in Rol-Market if your LS couldn't take on Kirin/Outer Jailers. With ZNM, you can't do that unless you have a buyer lined up waiting to lot/buy the T4 trophies. I've never been a part of any LS that sells rare/EX drops, just leave it at that. As for our LS, ya we have some people upgrading Mythic and they'd want the T4 Trophies anyway, or collect for PW.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but the way we have been doing ZNMs together has been no problem before. Again it takes you 10~15hrs to farm the zeni req to pop a T4, you'll get out (some 100% drops) what you worked for & chance at more.


The reason I say this, because if you want those 3 weeks of 10 people having their own 3 T4 pop set, then you're looking at 20~30hrs a week of work *together*. That isn't realistic with all the other rl & events people already do. I only compared it to Dynamis time involved per week, which is 6~8hrs. Asking for 20~30hrs a week is more than a part-time job, lol

What that is basically asking (since you can split the hours up, unlike Dynamis) is for: 7 days a week, gather for 3~4hrs each time.

The 270 weeks was for getting only 1 T4 per week. Now if I follow my LS's path, we could get 20 T4 every 1~2months. Say 20 in a month, making it less casual trying to hammer some out. That's ~7.5hrs per week. It would then take (let's say 20% droprate 1/5) maybe 7 months, or 13+ months if 10% droprate. But I don't think 7hrs/week for 6 months is a good idea, let alone over a year.

So, then it turns to more casual to spread things out so everyone isn't overwhelmed & can do other things. It will last a few more years XD

...and back to my point~ Years that PW won't be popped ;p

shit have to retype the whole thing

I am impressed by the numbers of T4 ZNM but that's not what I will call "active farming"

This is what I will do if I ever upgrade mythics:
Get a TAU mule
Farm limbus flower exclusively during freetime and send soulplates to mules.
Turn in soulplates on both main character and TAU mule (can do this even during LS event)
Possible to farm at least 3-4k zeni a day on both characters

Team up with another 5 ppl who are serious about ZNM
Do T1+T2 3 days in a row, each player ends up with 2 set of T3 pop items

Now you have 11 days to 30xT3 and 10xT4 ZNM to complete at least one T4 ZNM a week. This is the part where you need motivated ppl to help u spam ZNM. Splitting gil drop will be an option. 10 cerb = 20mil, even if pop item providers keep 50% fo the drop there are still 10mil to split among 13 ppl on top of ra/ex items every 2 weeks. If you don't want to screw up hide/claw market just turn them into mantle/sainti and give them to ppl who help u spam ZNM. You may even get a few lucky +1 mantle or sainti. Khim/Hydra path are less profitable but once your group cap ra/ex items you can actually sell those items.

This schedule allows any player to complete 10 of each T4 ZNM within 30 weeks. If you still think the schedule is unrealistic, how about double up the time limit? 60 weeks is 1 year and 2 months, you probably make enough money to buy T4 trophies from other LS. It's entirely doable, the key is to get enough ppl to spam ZNM.

I love lamp.

Okay so teaming up with 5 people & spamming T1/T2 should work fine, you'll have all the T3 pops needed in no time.

But have you ever tried to low man T3s? Specifically Gears, Vampire, Troll, Flayer, Lamia, etc? Each one could take 30min~2hr

We do with an ally of 18, and it still takes 15min or so. 3min repop + 2min pull(You can pull/kite these ZNMs with full dusk gear on haha) + 5~8min kill. +recover time if ppl get sloppy.

Getting people to help for T3 is hard unless they want the Enkidu/Oracle/Aurum drop from it. The grips are like 3k each, and only a select few (Acamoth) drop bigger gil items. So then you're left with low man, or those same ppl you promised gil from T4. Which could work but they'd have to show up for 3 T3 each T4 to get their gil XD

Run into the same problem ~ Scheduling conflicts

Personally, I've never heard of any ZNM group selling T4 trophies, I dunno why you think this is so common.



Anyway, I have no problem with obtaining these 3 Trophies for Mythic relic & the time needed (Hello 100k Ichor / 150k Tokens). It works great for the "do all ToAU quests/events" theme, and that's why I was 1st excited about Mythics.

It does not however promote the testing (initially) & killing of PW. That's a shame the system was changed after 4? months. SE just doesn't want people to down PW so fast.

Virtue stones used to be bad drop rate > now 100%
AV is now 100%
PW will probably be updated in 2 years to be 100% too

**I just have to accept that my group will not even get to *attempt* PW for at least another year~year and a half. And we've already spent months on it.

Now if you think that's fair, that seems to be our conflict in ideals, so be it. But I would not join a Dynamis group knowing full well they wouldn't even *try* to kill DL for 2+ years? No thanks. Same goes for other events, not gonna wait 2+ years for a build-up/finish of the event XD

Weird, freeforums doesn't warn me of new message anymore o.O


That's why you need to give them some incentives for their help. Ppl don't really need to show up for both t3 and t4 to get reward. You can just divide the gil drop the same way we split Alexandrite money (based on attendance). T3 ZNMs have tons of popular ra/ex items. Ppl have checked my bazaar comment and asked me if I sell Nalgering (the G sword), one guy offered to pay 1mil for it. Aurum sabatons are very popular too and the drop rate is decent.

Scheduling is only hard if ppl lost interest due to the fact that the event doesn't benefit them at all. I highly doubt your LS members will find excuse to skip Einherjar or any big fight (Kirin, JoL etc).

Reason why not many ppl selling T4 trophies is simple: before T4 trophies are linked to mythic weapon upgrade the only reason to buy them is to attempt PW fight, and not many LS actually bother to do that until some1 figure out how to defeat PW. Even now, ppl who are working on mythic weapon upgrade are still waiting for confirmation and there is still very little market for T4 trophies until more information becomes available. I never say the practice is common, I simply said it's now a new way to generate more income if your ZNM group doesn't have enough manpower to defeat PW.


As mentioned before pop item providers get to keep all the trophies, it's up to them to decide how they are going to spend them. Just because T4 trophies are now part of the mythic weapon upgrade doesn't mean no LS should ever attempt PW fight. It simply means that T4 trophies have more than one use.

As for PW fight, the fact that your LS doesn't want to attempt PW has nothing to do with mythic weapon upgrade. Ppl still won't attempt PW fight even if T4 trophies have nothing to do with mythic upgrade. There are small LS that will never have enough manpower to take down AV but that shouldn't stop them from killing other Sea Gods inlcuding JoL. Adding T4 trophies to mythic upgrade will only benefit these small LSs and encourage them to do ZNM. In fact I can't think of any LS on midgard that is capable of taking down PW on their own. Unless ppl figure out how to defeat PW, the only way to even get to attempt PW fight is if you server jump or team up with other LS.

http://www.bluegartrls.com/forum/ffxi-advanced-player-discussion/64464-mythic-weapons-new-info-page-5-pointless-bickering-page-7-proc-discussion-18-new-info-p23-23.html#post2364040

A jp player tested WAR mythic weapon at JP fanfest. Seems to be ridiculously overpowered.

That's pretty nice, though I wondering a few things that didn't seem to be answered:

Does Double Attack proc only during aftermath?

Did he use Berserk, and if so that's probably what was stacking with the aftermath to get the +50 attack.

Augments Berserk may be what is causing the extremely high critical hits, it may increase Critical Damage during Berserk as well as Attack but those numbers seem broken if the rate is that high since that is even more than 3 time proc. relics give in their very low proc rate.

Did it always proc. Triple, or we're there some Double Attacks in there as well? I'm thinking that the Triple was just WAR natural Double Attack proc. with the aftermath Double Attack, unless it proc. all the time then hard to tell.

Was there any other weapons players tested out at fanfest to compare them?

Jebus @_@

<3

I think I might actually start to work on one of these now, not sure which yet and not going to do Alexandrites just going to focus on the other parts right now that can be done for free and hope SE adds more Alexandrite drops

Once we get our Runic Keys all I need is 3 ToAU King titles to start next part at least, problem is to find a group that will go kill them